It's all about Christ or nothing about Christ.
If you believe you can lose your salvation, you believe that you have to do part of the work in obtaining your salvation. This is blasphemy, to think that you have to help God save you.
Ephesians 2:10 "10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."
If you think you have to work to maintain salvation then you are no different than every other pagan religion of the world.
Catholic, Muslim, Hindu, Jehovah Witness, Seventh Day Adventists and many others are all working their way to heaven. They depend on a particular work or set of works to earn their way into heaven. Some of them let God help them a little, but they continually camp on works as their propitiation instead of Christ.
None of these religions assure anyone of their salvation, just as those "Christians" who think they can lose their salvation. If you are working to keep your salvation then you agree with these pagan religions that part of the work is yours, Christ didn't do it all and you cannot know if you have salvation until the day you die, because you don't know if you will sin big enough to lose it tomorrow. You don't know how many sins you have to commit for the Holy Spirit to fly out of you.
Those who believe they can lose their salvation do not trust Christ because of all the promises He made about saving us, changing us and keeping us, are ignored as though He never said them. The excuse they use is that we can walk away from Him, meaning part of our salvation is up to us.
When they say they believe we are saved by grace, they live and breathe as though they are not. Grace is grace for obtaining salvation as well as keeping but they deny the keeping part.
The truth is that there is deep pride that makes them want to maintain some of the control, while bragging that they can do it.
I am here to tell you, no one can keep their own salvation by following the Law or any other good deeds. Many will get to heavens gate and hear these terrible words, "I NEVER KNEW YOU." They will hear them because they placed their trust in themselves rather than completely on Christ. Here is what they will say:
Matthew 7:21-23
"21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"
Don't think you will get to heavens gate and be able to tell the Lord that you kept the commandments, it won't get you in.
When I get to heaven I will tell the Lord that I trusted in His Son Jesus Christ, and that will get me in, nothing else, nothing added.
Sunday, March 22, 2015
Seek Truth Through Prayer
Why do so many people believe that doctrinal error is alright as long as everyone agrees that each decides for himself what he wants to believe. This reminds me of the scripture that says;
"In the last days everyone did what was right in their own eyes"
When there is doctrinal disagreement, we need to go back to scripture, using the original languages if need be, to come to a CORRECT understanding of what God meant.
The problem is that too many people love their cultural traditions and things taught by men, they just can't let go of them. No matter how clear the message from the word is, they refuse to see the truth.
How can someone fight so bitterly to defend that which God condemns or fight bitterly to avoid obeying what God commands, if they are seeking Him?
The only answer to the previous question is that many even most of those claiming to be believers are not seeking God, they are heaping up for themselves teachers that give them the answers that they like rather than what is truth.
The admonishment here is to actually go to prayer when you are challenged about a matter. Seek truth not personal desire or comfort.
"In the last days everyone did what was right in their own eyes"
When there is doctrinal disagreement, we need to go back to scripture, using the original languages if need be, to come to a CORRECT understanding of what God meant.
The problem is that too many people love their cultural traditions and things taught by men, they just can't let go of them. No matter how clear the message from the word is, they refuse to see the truth.
How can someone fight so bitterly to defend that which God condemns or fight bitterly to avoid obeying what God commands, if they are seeking Him?
The only answer to the previous question is that many even most of those claiming to be believers are not seeking God, they are heaping up for themselves teachers that give them the answers that they like rather than what is truth.
The admonishment here is to actually go to prayer when you are challenged about a matter. Seek truth not personal desire or comfort.
Do Not Grieve The Holy Spirit
Ephesians 4:30
"Do not GRIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT of God, by whom you were SEALED for the day of redemption."
1 Thessalonians 5:16-21
"16 Rejoice always; 17 pray without ceasing; 18 in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus. 19 DO NOT QUENCH THE HOLY SPIRIT; 20 do not despise prophetic utterances. 21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil."
Ephesians 1:13-14
"13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory."
Galatians 5:17
"For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please."
It is clear from the above passages that believers do sin, they do grieve the Holy Spirit at times but within them is the power of Christ to resist, because when we became born again our desires within our spirit changed, we hate the sin that dwells in our bodies, however our Spirit battles against the flesh that is still fallen.
When we die as believers our spirit goes to be with the Lord, because it is holy through the blood of , but our bodies stay behind because no sin can enter the presence of God. Our body will be changed in a flash, then it will be holy and acceptable to unite again with our Spirit in the presence of God.
1 Corinthians 15:52
"in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."
Romans 7:15
"For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate."
Hebrews 12:6
"FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES."
God has to continually teach, train and spank us to bring us back into line with His principles. If we are truly born again believers, we do not fight against the chastising of the Lord, but rather lean into it, thankful that He is working in us.
Anyone that claims to be sinless after they are born again, doesn't understand that the flesh has not been made into a new creation and will not until the rapture of the body. The Spirit is made a new creation at the moment of salvation. Those who think we can lose salvation after Christ changes us, has to deny the working of discipline in our lives. They must not recognize the need for chastisement in the life of a believer, if they do not think they sin, or if they think sin can cause the Lord to remove His Holy Spirit from us. They also have to deny the promise of God to never leave us or forsake us.
Hebrews 13:5
"Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”
If God is the One Who saves us through grace, a free gift, then how could we ever think that we have anything within ourselves that would keep us where we should be? When we know that Christ is the Righteousness in us, then we know that we have no righteousness to offer on our own behalf.
If we think our own attempts at sinlessness have any part of the salvation through grace then it is not grace at all but works. Those who think they can lose their salvation must believe that God never disciplines His children as He said He does, but merely casts them away at the slightest infraction of His Law.
In every encounter I have had where I have asked the questions; 1. How many sins does it take for the Holy Spirit to leave us and 2. How big do the sins have to be? No one has an answer for me. Because Christ never leaves a true believer and we cannot turn ourselves back into the old creation, then we can say that our salvation is based on our trusting Christ, knowing that He paid for our sin with His own blood on the cross.
IT IS PAID IN FULL!!!! Read Hebrews chapter 9 to discover that it had to be the shedding of blood to cover our sin. No number or size of good works or lack of bad works will atone for sin, only the blood of Christ the sinless Lamb of God would do that. Since we cannot shed even our own blood to atone for our own sins, then what would make us think merely doing good works or avoiding bad ones would make any difference at all. When we see it this way, the salvation that would be atoned for by Christ could not be lost, it was paid for in full at the cross. How silly to think anything you do could save you or lose the salvation you didn't earn in the first place but had to be paid for by the shedding of blood of the perfect Lamb. You are not perfect and you have not shed your own blood for your sins, what makes you think you can earn your salvation by mere deeds?
PAID IN FULL!!!!!
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
"16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words."
1 Corinthians 15:52
"in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."
When we became born again, God changed our heart and sealed us with the Holy Spirit. After salvation we hate the sin we used to do and we hate the sin we do now. God disciplines us to help us return to obedience, we learn from that and grow in holiness. God never just throws us away because we don't measure up, He knows we could never measure up. Perhaps those who think God throws us away because we don't measure up are interpreting their version of salvation in terms of their understanding of our culture. That's what man does, man throws people away who don't measure up, so some think God does the same thing.
There are those stubborn believers, who are born again by the shed blood of Christ, but do not avail themselves to the discipline of Christ, ignoring His Holy Spirit, grieving Him as Ephesians 4:30 speaks of, these people are born again, but they will have consequences in this life and lost rewards in the next.
1 Corinthians 3:15
"If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."
For those who think you are working your way to heaven, or have any part in keeping the salvation you didn't earn, must ask the Lord if you are born again. Anyone who understands the sacrifice that was required to pay for their sin, could never think they have any works that would measure up to the shed blood of Christ.
"Do not GRIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT of God, by whom you were SEALED for the day of redemption."
1 Thessalonians 5:16-21
"16 Rejoice always; 17 pray without ceasing; 18 in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus. 19 DO NOT QUENCH THE HOLY SPIRIT; 20 do not despise prophetic utterances. 21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil."
Ephesians 1:13-14
"13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory."
Galatians 5:17
"For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please."
It is clear from the above passages that believers do sin, they do grieve the Holy Spirit at times but within them is the power of Christ to resist, because when we became born again our desires within our spirit changed, we hate the sin that dwells in our bodies, however our Spirit battles against the flesh that is still fallen.
When we die as believers our spirit goes to be with the Lord, because it is holy through the blood of , but our bodies stay behind because no sin can enter the presence of God. Our body will be changed in a flash, then it will be holy and acceptable to unite again with our Spirit in the presence of God.
1 Corinthians 15:52
"in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."
Romans 7:15
"For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate."
Hebrews 12:6
"FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES."
God has to continually teach, train and spank us to bring us back into line with His principles. If we are truly born again believers, we do not fight against the chastising of the Lord, but rather lean into it, thankful that He is working in us.
Anyone that claims to be sinless after they are born again, doesn't understand that the flesh has not been made into a new creation and will not until the rapture of the body. The Spirit is made a new creation at the moment of salvation. Those who think we can lose salvation after Christ changes us, has to deny the working of discipline in our lives. They must not recognize the need for chastisement in the life of a believer, if they do not think they sin, or if they think sin can cause the Lord to remove His Holy Spirit from us. They also have to deny the promise of God to never leave us or forsake us.
Hebrews 13:5
"Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”
If God is the One Who saves us through grace, a free gift, then how could we ever think that we have anything within ourselves that would keep us where we should be? When we know that Christ is the Righteousness in us, then we know that we have no righteousness to offer on our own behalf.
If we think our own attempts at sinlessness have any part of the salvation through grace then it is not grace at all but works. Those who think they can lose their salvation must believe that God never disciplines His children as He said He does, but merely casts them away at the slightest infraction of His Law.
In every encounter I have had where I have asked the questions; 1. How many sins does it take for the Holy Spirit to leave us and 2. How big do the sins have to be? No one has an answer for me. Because Christ never leaves a true believer and we cannot turn ourselves back into the old creation, then we can say that our salvation is based on our trusting Christ, knowing that He paid for our sin with His own blood on the cross.
IT IS PAID IN FULL!!!! Read Hebrews chapter 9 to discover that it had to be the shedding of blood to cover our sin. No number or size of good works or lack of bad works will atone for sin, only the blood of Christ the sinless Lamb of God would do that. Since we cannot shed even our own blood to atone for our own sins, then what would make us think merely doing good works or avoiding bad ones would make any difference at all. When we see it this way, the salvation that would be atoned for by Christ could not be lost, it was paid for in full at the cross. How silly to think anything you do could save you or lose the salvation you didn't earn in the first place but had to be paid for by the shedding of blood of the perfect Lamb. You are not perfect and you have not shed your own blood for your sins, what makes you think you can earn your salvation by mere deeds?
PAID IN FULL!!!!!
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
"16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words."
1 Corinthians 15:52
"in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."
When we became born again, God changed our heart and sealed us with the Holy Spirit. After salvation we hate the sin we used to do and we hate the sin we do now. God disciplines us to help us return to obedience, we learn from that and grow in holiness. God never just throws us away because we don't measure up, He knows we could never measure up. Perhaps those who think God throws us away because we don't measure up are interpreting their version of salvation in terms of their understanding of our culture. That's what man does, man throws people away who don't measure up, so some think God does the same thing.
There are those stubborn believers, who are born again by the shed blood of Christ, but do not avail themselves to the discipline of Christ, ignoring His Holy Spirit, grieving Him as Ephesians 4:30 speaks of, these people are born again, but they will have consequences in this life and lost rewards in the next.
1 Corinthians 3:15
"If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire."
For those who think you are working your way to heaven, or have any part in keeping the salvation you didn't earn, must ask the Lord if you are born again. Anyone who understands the sacrifice that was required to pay for their sin, could never think they have any works that would measure up to the shed blood of Christ.
Saturday, March 21, 2015
Let Go Of Your Own Control!
God changes us into a new creation when we become born again, it is His work.
To say that we could lose what God did in us, would be like saying you are more powerful than God, He's the one that transforms us into a new creation. But there are those who think we can untransform ourselves by our mere deeds.
To say that we could lose that is saying we can overpower God, that God is supject to us rather than us being subject to Him.
We cannot undo what God does, it is His power not ours that makes us a new creation. It is His power that keeps us, therefore we have no power to obtain our salvation through our own effort, nor do we have power to maintain our salvation through our own effort.
2 Corinthians 5:16-19
"16 Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer.
17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation."
Ephesians 2:10
"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them."
What part of "HIS WORKMANSHIP" do we not understand?
All those who think they are working hard to keep what they did not earn, are not resting in the arms of Jesus, but struggling daily to be sure they can do or be enough to please God.
No one can do enough to please God, that's why Christ had to die to cover our sins, it took the shedding of blood of the only Righteous Perfect Lamb of God to do this. And we think our measly little feeble efforts and attempts to be good would be more than what Christ did? How incredibly silly is that!
Let's call it what it is to think we can keep what we did not earn, it is pride, we like to think we did something to help God. Many like to think they have power over their own destiny, they don't want to let go of their own power over this life or over eternity.
True faith is trusting Christ for salvation and for everything after that. We like to make salvation complicated so that we can maintain some of the control. Until we see our helplessness before Him, we cannot fully trust Him.
To say that we could lose what God did in us, would be like saying you are more powerful than God, He's the one that transforms us into a new creation. But there are those who think we can untransform ourselves by our mere deeds.
To say that we could lose that is saying we can overpower God, that God is supject to us rather than us being subject to Him.
We cannot undo what God does, it is His power not ours that makes us a new creation. It is His power that keeps us, therefore we have no power to obtain our salvation through our own effort, nor do we have power to maintain our salvation through our own effort.
2 Corinthians 5:16-19
"16 Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer.
17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation."
Ephesians 2:10
"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them."
What part of "HIS WORKMANSHIP" do we not understand?
All those who think they are working hard to keep what they did not earn, are not resting in the arms of Jesus, but struggling daily to be sure they can do or be enough to please God.
No one can do enough to please God, that's why Christ had to die to cover our sins, it took the shedding of blood of the only Righteous Perfect Lamb of God to do this. And we think our measly little feeble efforts and attempts to be good would be more than what Christ did? How incredibly silly is that!
Let's call it what it is to think we can keep what we did not earn, it is pride, we like to think we did something to help God. Many like to think they have power over their own destiny, they don't want to let go of their own power over this life or over eternity.
True faith is trusting Christ for salvation and for everything after that. We like to make salvation complicated so that we can maintain some of the control. Until we see our helplessness before Him, we cannot fully trust Him.
Friday, March 20, 2015
Beth Moore Another Wolf Among The Sheep
For those of you who are questioning the teachings of Beth Moore, I would encourage you, that the uneasiness you might be feeling is warranted.
From what I have seen she takes passages of scripture out of context to make them say nothing close to their original purpose and equates them to a sort of "me" status. She uses foolish phrases in her booklets, such as, "what does that verse mean to you." Her focus is this life, in her teachings, not the spiritual inner life. And Christ is not her focus, He is secondary to the teaching of law.
We should never read the word of God to decide what we want to make the scriptures say. Our aim in reading the Word is to allow the Holy Spirit to show us what the Lord meant so that we come in line with His will, we should not attempt to making the Bible come in line with our own will.
One of her techniques is to engage the audience by having them repeat after her, this is a very effective cult technique, once the leader can get the audience in a childlike stance, automatically accepting everything she says, she will say almost anything and the infantlike audience will fawn all over her. She is obviously doing everything right in her method of crowd pleasing and marketing, her popularity demonstrates this. Another method for mesmerizing her audience is to tell personal stories and regale the hearers with jokes that loosen up those engaged. Superficial people love lots of humorous personal stories.
Beth Moore is friends with people like Joyce Meyers, Joel Osteen and Rick Warren, this all by itself should be the first red flag. Our companions and those who endorse us are a huge clue as to our bent.
From the little that I have seen, it is clear that she is your typical prosperity, better life, preachers, claiming that if we follow certain principles in our life we will have health, wealth and popularity. And, it has worked for her, she is their example.
She has said silly things like "God took her to the zoo and we had a playdate with God and He talked to me." OH PLEASE!!!!
In conclusion, Beth Moore camps on the superficial of this life, neglecting the Spiritual and twisting Scripture to such a degree that it is no longer truth. She is a very good, well dressed and charismatic motivational speaker, whether or not she is a believer is highly questionable.
From what I have seen she takes passages of scripture out of context to make them say nothing close to their original purpose and equates them to a sort of "me" status. She uses foolish phrases in her booklets, such as, "what does that verse mean to you." Her focus is this life, in her teachings, not the spiritual inner life. And Christ is not her focus, He is secondary to the teaching of law.
We should never read the word of God to decide what we want to make the scriptures say. Our aim in reading the Word is to allow the Holy Spirit to show us what the Lord meant so that we come in line with His will, we should not attempt to making the Bible come in line with our own will.
One of her techniques is to engage the audience by having them repeat after her, this is a very effective cult technique, once the leader can get the audience in a childlike stance, automatically accepting everything she says, she will say almost anything and the infantlike audience will fawn all over her. She is obviously doing everything right in her method of crowd pleasing and marketing, her popularity demonstrates this. Another method for mesmerizing her audience is to tell personal stories and regale the hearers with jokes that loosen up those engaged. Superficial people love lots of humorous personal stories.
Beth Moore is friends with people like Joyce Meyers, Joel Osteen and Rick Warren, this all by itself should be the first red flag. Our companions and those who endorse us are a huge clue as to our bent.
From the little that I have seen, it is clear that she is your typical prosperity, better life, preachers, claiming that if we follow certain principles in our life we will have health, wealth and popularity. And, it has worked for her, she is their example.
She has said silly things like "God took her to the zoo and we had a playdate with God and He talked to me." OH PLEASE!!!!
In conclusion, Beth Moore camps on the superficial of this life, neglecting the Spiritual and twisting Scripture to such a degree that it is no longer truth. She is a very good, well dressed and charismatic motivational speaker, whether or not she is a believer is highly questionable.
We Are Surrounded by Cry Babies
Emilio makes good sense again!
Emilio Ardimento
live Holy (you can't without God's grace and Spirit). I guess regardless of God being real or not, if atheists claim to know morals without God, they should at least applaud us Christians fools want to live a Holy life and encourage others to do so. They should think, well god doesn't exist but at least this bunch of fools is not harming me and if my kids meets one of these fools in a dark alley at night, chances are he will be safe (Gal 19-22 ). But no.
The hypocrites love to come and call us liars (that us being filled with Holy Spirit is not true), call the God they don't believe in a liar, blame our God for evil, yet He's grace and commands only will lead to seek Holiness in a broken world, so the truth is that when convicted of their own sin and wrongdoing (John 16.8 He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment), atheists cry out "hate speech", "extremists", "intolerance" and cry away, ban them buawahah sob sob, ban them, they are hateful, mum ,mum buwahaha oh no, hate speech. If you love the sin you will hate any form of preaching against it. God is intolerant to extremist sinners who hate His Son but wants all to come to Him and obtain grace and mercy (John 3:16/18).
Yet I wonder why atheists on these debate pages, if they are righteous without God, then why is it when others in their camp use foul language, hale abuse, blasphemy and make outrageous accusations for all to see, why then does that very righteousness kick in and why do they not reprove the person, correct them and explain why they should not be abusive to Christians or any other??? Truth is they approve of it (silence is consent) and are just as wicked and prove again Bible to be true as Satan's Kingdom will not attack itself (Mat12, Mark3) and Jesus said, "You are either for me or against me". Thank you for fulfilling more prophecy atheists.
Emilio Ardimento
live Holy (you can't without God's grace and Spirit). I guess regardless of God being real or not, if atheists claim to know morals without God, they should at least applaud us Christians fools want to live a Holy life and encourage others to do so. They should think, well god doesn't exist but at least this bunch of fools is not harming me and if my kids meets one of these fools in a dark alley at night, chances are he will be safe (Gal 19-22 ). But no.
The hypocrites love to come and call us liars (that us being filled with Holy Spirit is not true), call the God they don't believe in a liar, blame our God for evil, yet He's grace and commands only will lead to seek Holiness in a broken world, so the truth is that when convicted of their own sin and wrongdoing (John 16.8 He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment), atheists cry out "hate speech", "extremists", "intolerance" and cry away, ban them buawahah sob sob, ban them, they are hateful, mum ,mum buwahaha oh no, hate speech. If you love the sin you will hate any form of preaching against it. God is intolerant to extremist sinners who hate His Son but wants all to come to Him and obtain grace and mercy (John 3:16/18).
Yet I wonder why atheists on these debate pages, if they are righteous without God, then why is it when others in their camp use foul language, hale abuse, blasphemy and make outrageous accusations for all to see, why then does that very righteousness kick in and why do they not reprove the person, correct them and explain why they should not be abusive to Christians or any other??? Truth is they approve of it (silence is consent) and are just as wicked and prove again Bible to be true as Satan's Kingdom will not attack itself (Mat12, Mark3) and Jesus said, "You are either for me or against me". Thank you for fulfilling more prophecy atheists.
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